tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6652275538457823708.post2374186053507281997..comments2023-07-03T04:25:54.358-07:00Comments on Art Babel: On Kitsch and Politics: a Brief HistoryNew York Cityhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05807506312905707802noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6652275538457823708.post-9221779774207805142011-09-30T23:36:14.323-07:002011-09-30T23:36:14.323-07:00Thanks, Richard. I'll check out what Donald K...Thanks, Richard. I'll check out what Donald Kuspit has to say.<br /><br />So, If all are agreed that the pre-Demoiselles Picasso was a Kitsch Painter, I guess that makes it more interesting than ever to wonder what was going through his mind in 1907.Craig Banholzernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6652275538457823708.post-39791901755140003842011-01-25T01:55:51.996-08:002011-01-25T01:55:51.996-08:00Craig,
In case you're still interested in the ...Craig,<br />In case you're still interested in the question, I've published an essay by Donald Kuspit about the descent of the nude and especially the feminine element.<br /><br />http://artbabel.blogspot.com/2011/01/nude-ascending.html<br /><br />As to your question about pre-cubist Picasso, (it took me some time to consider) it seems to be more Kitsch than Art, as Odd Nerdrum, Broch, Adorno define the terms.New York Cityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05807506312905707802noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6652275538457823708.post-39064173109215303172010-09-17T20:18:14.366-07:002010-09-17T20:18:14.366-07:00Richard,
I guess I'm not enough of an histor...Richard,<br /> I guess I'm not enough of an historian to know why there was this purging. Was it a reaction to the growth of political power on the part of women? I don't know. I'm sure someone has researched it, and has an informed opinion about it.<br /><br /> Carrière was certainly a remarkable painter, and it's a shame he's so little known today, but, after all, it's hard to imagine a more un-Modern Artist.<br /><br /> I wonder: do you think that the Pre-Cubist Picasso qualifies as a Kitsch Painter?Craig Banholzerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16958933400558297331noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6652275538457823708.post-68761510710611430192010-09-14T23:51:53.788-07:002010-09-14T23:51:53.788-07:00Craig,
I think both are very astute points. A min...Craig,<br /><br />I think both are very astute points. A minor addition, but I would add that Picasso's Blue and Rose periods were also greatly influenced by Eugène Carrière. The reason I specifically make this point is because at the time, Carriere was incredibly influential in Europe and now is almost completely unknown, especially in the states.<br /> <br />What do you think their reasons were behind specifically purging the feminine element? Is it the link with sentimentality, classical beauty, etc...?New York Cityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05807506312905707802noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6652275538457823708.post-47284084939984476332010-09-14T23:05:20.283-07:002010-09-14T23:05:20.283-07:00The Modernists rejected Realism, and something els...The Modernists rejected Realism, and something else, and I'm not the first to say it. They purged art of the feminine element. In stylistic terms, this meant an abrupt halt to Symbolism and Art Nouveau. Look at Picasso. All the way through the Blue and Rose Periods he's rehashing Puvis and Burne-Jones. The women in these paintings are aluring, even in their sadness. Then,1907: Demoiselles d'Avignon. The women are pointy, "primitive" and scarey. Their faces are expressionless masks.Craig Banholzerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16958933400558297331noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6652275538457823708.post-87487027855524232282010-09-14T08:59:27.061-07:002010-09-14T08:59:27.061-07:00Well done. I think you hit the nail on the head w...Well done. I think you hit the nail on the head when you suggest that social class may have had a big influence. Revolutions, a Manifesto, and then one more thing was born in 1848: Realism. For the rest of the century, pictures and statues that celebrated the lives of working class people were common in every country in Europe. And it was Realism, more than anything, that the Modernists were against.Craig Banholzerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16958933400558297331noreply@blogger.com